[Johngoboom]

The real fun starts when the dummies start stealing copper out of the sub-stations!

I think they had one got killed pulling that crap around here not to long ago!

Times get hard enough for people, they will be stealing alot more than gas! Watch your gardens too!

If somebody asked me for food, I would give it to 'em with out thinking twice; but if they try and take it with out asking, they just might get to hear the old 870 racking one in. :twisted:

 

[Johngoboom]

I love our garden. The veggies are SO much better than anything we can get at the store.

 

[Johngoboom]

You guys are right; there are ways in which I'm very conservative. I think government spending is out of control, and that government has gotten way to big, I also don’t believe in self protection laws.

Unfortunately voting Dem or Rep really doesn't mean a darn thing anymore. Both parties have sold their souls to the highest corporate bidders.

Really there are only three ways in which I am staunchly in the Liberal camp.

1. I think that supply side economics don't work. A rising tide lifts all yachts. Bring on the flat tax!!!

2. I feel that Government must as a necessary evil have SOME control over big business to prevent the unfair treatment of labor. (Health, Safety, Minimum Wage, enforcing anti-trust laws, enforcing environmental regulations, and living up to negotiated contracts)

3. And while it is constitutional, I don't think religion should be involved in politics. I believe there should be a clearly defined separation of church and state.

Other than those three things, I fall into the conservative camp a lot. But I also consider myself to a Jefferson Democrat, to which I measure all laws by his statement of "My right to swing my fist end at another man’s nose."

 

[Johngoboom]

Supply side economics is basically the same thing as "Trickle Down" economics (or at least that is always what I have been told).

It's the idea that giving tax cuts to the wealthy in this country will spur them to start new business and increase wages for workers. The Bush tax cuts for the WEALTHYEST Americans are a good example of this. I feel that the money never actually "trickles down". The richest Americans didn't get that way by giving big pay raises to workers when they got a tax break from Uncle Sam. The greedy part of human nature assures us that trickle down can’t work.

As far as government control over business regulation, those are things have historically happened by legislation passed by Dems. The Republican attitude has always been to leave business to its own devices, and let competition sort things out. This is fine, until you add globalization into the mix, and let American compaines produce products over seas where there are no standards for workers, and environmental regulations are non-existent.

As far as separation of church and state, I guess it just makes me mad to see how the republicans have pandered to the religious right. As an agnostic, it bothers me to see the president talk about a need for a "gay marriage" amendment to the constitution. Let alone the ban on stem cell research, and the FDA purposely burying approval for the "morning after" pill to become OTC. This has all in the name of religion.

Sheepdog, I think you may just be more Liberal than you thought!