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I hope those open carry idiots are happy . It is hurting CCW like me ... In Tx the new law said you need a CCW lic to open carry so why open carry :roll: . All this BS for your open carry right's is costing me my rights to carry with a CCW illegal to carry in business that post a signs . There is signs popping up all over the place , making places I could carry is illegal for me to carry anymore . Like I said awhile back about those IDIOT carrying AR15 all around to prove a point got there wish and cost me my gun right . :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: I'm so F--king mad every time I see a NO GUN SIGN on places I could carry before the law was passed ......

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/...nies_n_7802468.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
 

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I can't blame all business owners for posting the no guns sign in response to open carry. It's a matter of business. Open carrying of guns makes a lot of people nervous. Nervous customers don't stay as long to shop and don't buy as much. That's a fact of retail business and has nothing to do with a stand on gun rights. Open carrying of firearms by customers in some stores is just bad for business, pure and simple.

For instance, back when I had the kids with me, had I walked into a department store with my kids and found a bunch of strangers walking around with ARs, I would have turned right around and left. How am I supposed to know if these guys are terrorists or whackos or just guys exercising their 2A rights? How am I supposed to know if these guys have a clue about gun safety? Never took such risks with my kids and don't know too many moms that would. Now that the kids are gone, I'd be a little less nervous about it, but comfortable? No way. I've personally seen too many instances of stupid gun handling.I'm all for concealed carry, but there are situations where open carry is just a bad idea.
 

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Seeing someone with an AR15 and a dozen 30 magazines would make me nervous and I would most likely leave. But lets flash forward 20 years. If it becomes quite common that on the average day shopping you see 100 people carrying without incident would it still make you nervous?
 

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TGR:

Every time you see a sign hand the owner/manager one of these:

http://www.learntocarry.com/nogunsnomoney/
The problem is there is 40X more people who hates guns and don't carry then CCW holders . So the business don't care . I've had a CCW since 1968 and never seen a need or reason to open carry . In Ca pre 1970 we could carry open a loaded gun around . The Lakeside Hotel in Lakeside Ca made you check your gun in when you went into the bar area . Then Ca it went open carry a unloaded gun . That is all history now your gun must be in a lock box in trunk of your with the ammo in different area if possible . And if the LEO see it your going to be checked out . I don't like open carry and Tx did it right you can open carry with a CCW lic only , so not every YAHOO can walk around load or unloaded gun on there side . Here is Tx we can drive in a car or truck with a loaded firearm in it , but it MUST be concealed from view .
 

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Up here I've already been noticing a few no open carry signs, and also some no guns allowed signs, that aren't the official 30.06 Texas approved ones, so I don't pay attention to them. Whataburger announced a no open carry policy, but also stated that concealed is fine. Depending on the business, I'm not sure I'd want open carry if I owned a store.
I won't be carrying with one showing anyway.
 

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The only signs I have seen around Matagorda/Bay City area are the ones that say it's illegal to carry without a permit. When we were last down there open carry hadn't passed so maybe that has changed. Unfortunately the signs mean something legally in TX. Up here they don't carry the force of law so the retailers don't post them. Figure people would carry anyway and it would just tick off those with permits.

We have had open carry no permit forever but you rarely see it. With a $10 all in permit we just conceal.
 

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Washington State has open carry also as does Montana. Here you rarely see it here but its fairly common in smaller Montana towns.
 

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If they display the 30.06 or 51% sign no guns may enter concealed or open carry .

If they display the 30.07 sign no open carry may enter but concealed is OK . NEW LAW

Sign specifications

Requirements for the signs that businesses must post if they want to bar the open carrying of handguns:

— Must appear in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height.

— Must be in both English and Spanish.

— Must be displayed in a “conspicuous manner” at the property’s entrance.

— Must say: “Pursuant to Section 30.07, Penal Code (trespass by license holder with an openly carried handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (handgun licensing law), may not enter this property with a handgun that is carried openly.”
 

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The one on the left says the "unlicensed possession" and I take that to me someone without a CCL that is carrying and I ignore it. The one for the CCL holder wording is according to Handgun Laws:

a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun";

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.30.htm#30.06
 

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The one on the left says the "unlicensed possession" and I take that to me someone without a CCL that is carrying and I ignore it. The one for the CCL holder wording is according to Handgun Laws:

a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun";

The sign on the left is a 49% sign which is normally found on bars and restaurant that sells more food then booze . If 51% of there business is booze NO GUNS ALLOWED . . You can ignore any sign not meeting TX signing posting like "No Firearms Allowed "
 

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I should be good as we (I) don't do bars anymore just restaurants. I will have to watch for the other sign when we get down there in December.
 

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I go to 4 restaurant that serve booze . All of them have the legal signing below at door which makes them a 49% bar and restaurant so I can carry my gun in them as long as I don't drink .
 

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In Washington State you can't carry concealed or open in areas where alcohol is served as the main source of income. That means in taverns or lounges but okay in restaurants where minors are permitted. You can not carry even if you are not drinking.

Twice I have had to speak to the owners about not allowing firearms in an area where they allow minors. They both got snotty and I turned in both places.
 

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If any of you pass through North Carolina restaurants are now legal for carry, but if they have a no guns allowed sign posted I hope you let them know they loose business.
 

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In most states if you carry your gun even on your own land and drink any booze like a beer and doing yard work is illegal , you could be ticketed for drinking a beer when operating your sit down tractor cutting your grass . Even sitting your car or truck listening to your radio with key in ignition . My Mustang the radio will keep playing with the engine off and key removed and when you open a door the radio will shut off automatically . :-D
 

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A lot of restaurants have a bar area and a more formal dining room. States with off limits in the bar area but not the dining area are just dumb. I have seen the entrance at the bar area and they give you the option to sit in either place and the rest rooms are usually off the bar area. So when you come in it's a technical violation and if you have to go to the bathroom it's a violation, etc. The 51% rule doesn't bother me and if you have a restaurant with a bar area the law should read if you carry you don't drink. Drawing some imaginary line on the floor just doesn't work for me.

In the live free or die state we have no such laws. You want to go to a bar and drink your brains out and carry, have at it. I have only heard of one instance were someone carrying got into a bar fight outside and pulled a concealed handgun and shot the other guy, he lived. The police were not amused and the shooter is in the system. I don't advocate drinking and carrying but I would rather have it that way than some weird rules dreamed up by a legislator that was probably half cocked when he did it. :grin:

As to open carry, I think slinging AR's and walking around in public while being videoed is poor judgment and I question their motivation. Were they looking to get all carry banned?
 

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A lot of restaurants have a bar area and a more formal dining room. States with off limits in the bar area but not the dining area are just dumb. I have seen the entrance at the bar area and they give you the option to sit in either place and the rest rooms are usually off the bar area. So when you come in it's a technical violation and if you have to go to the bathroom it's a violation, etc. The 51% rule doesn't bother me and if you have a restaurant with a bar area the law should read if you carry you don't drink. Drawing some imaginary line on the floor just doesn't work for me.

In the live free or die state we have no such laws. You want to go to a bar and drink your brains out and carry, have at it. I have only heard of one instance were someone carrying got into a bar fight outside and pulled a concealed handgun and shot the other guy, he lived. The police were not amused and the shooter is in the system. I don't advocate drinking and carrying but I would rather have it that way than some weird rules dreamed up by a legislator that was probably half cocked when he did it. :grin:

As to open carry, I think slinging AR's and walking around in public while being videoed is poor judgment and I question their motivation. Were they looking to get all carry banned?
Totally agree!!
 

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Tx makes it easy just read the sign at the entrants no guess work needed . They must post a 30.06 , 30.07 or 51% sign at the entrants and everything else posted has no meaning . Like a sign saying "no firearms allow" a CCW may carry in there without the correct signs at the entrants , but if you are ask you to leave you must leave .
 
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