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Is anyone here an open carrier? I don't mean in the woods, I mean in the average, everyday sense. Going to the dentist or the grocery store with a piece on your hip.
 

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not allowed in Texas unless you're a peace officer...............
 

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Like BH said it's legal in NH but it's also asking to be hassled especially in the southern part of the state. Up north it's probably accepted but best move slowly if you go into a business establishment. I conceal as well it's just easier.
 

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I don't either. I think it is not only asking for problems, but also selfish. When you conceal, it's one more gun on the street the badguys don't know about. Open carry protects you and only you.

But, the world is full of dumb people, and there are open carry sites filled with stories of people that can't figure out why people react so poorly when they see a weapon on someone's hip in a normal, everyday situation.
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/
 

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I don't see a problem with it. I kind of wish more people did it. Then once it was an everyday site people would be better about it. If I see someone open carrying, I have no problem with it. I figure they must be legal. If I catch a glimpse of a concealed gun, I never know. Could be a psycho.
 

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You and I may not freak out, but what concerns me is that some, possibly most, people will. I could give a damn about somebodys carrying of a gun, I worry about the image they are giving gun owners. Hippies vote too, probably better not rock the boat on firearm laws.

Peruse those boards for a quick minute. The posts are all by assholes who argue about violating thepolicies of privately held properties. I have carried guns into many Home Depots, Wal-Marts, and everywhere else 21st century American life takes me. And never been harassed by a manager, because I have the smarts to cover it with a shirt, or a jacket.

I guess my worry is that the open carry movement is being spearheaded by dicks who just want everyone around them to know they have a gun. I prefer to keep it to myself.
 

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I agree RP. Some people aren't used to guns and don't want to own them and if it ends there I'm ok with it. To open carry while they're wheeling junior around the Mall is a sure way to turn them against us.
 

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I agree guys. I'm just saying that if it was more main stream people wouldn't think twice about it. I like the fact that when concealed I can keep it on me everywhere and I have the upper hand in a bad situation. At least I hope I will.
 

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Yeah, rp...those guys who carry "concealed" but have to flop open their coat to comb their hair...but never to pay for the coffee...make me sick, too...they're compensating for something.....I'd rather see a man with a gun than a gun with a "man" anytime......
 

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There is a time and a place for open carry. If you are in a rural setting where you would prefer to have a large bore revolver for 4 legged critters, then it's the right thing to do. And if you go into grocery stores or restaurants in those areas, nobody will look twice at you. But you do it any where else, and your just asking to be hassled by the cops when somebody calls in "man with a gun."

You would think with as much travel as American do now-a-days, that they would realize that there are places all over our country that having a big-ole-six gun on your hip is not just a for decoration, but is a darn good idea...

Like Ted Nugent said when Jimmy Hendrix asked him why he carried a gun...Ted replied "Shit man, a hanker-chief, a knife, and a gun are just three things a man can use."
 

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Just posted this on an open carry site. Don't really plan on getting into discussion with the chowderheads, but wanted to do my part.

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Greetings. I write to you because I have become concerned with the growing movement for the acceptance of the practice of open carry. I am a firearms enthusiast, hunter, frequent shooter, and regularly carry concealed. My guns are for sport, personal protection, and general enjoyment. In short, I am a gun nut.

I have been reading material on the websites for open carriers, and am becoming concerned. It seems the number one objective is to find places to pack your gun around where people will object. Just because something is legal, does not mean that everybody must accept it. Do the rights of property owners mean nothing to you? Wal-Mart does not want you walking around with a gun on your hip, lawful or not. Just as you set the rules at your homes, they make the decisions in theirs. Smoking is legal, but I do not let anybody smoke in my house. I am certain that there is something you would not allow on your land. If you don’t like the idea that some people would rather you come in unarmed, either conceal or just don’t go there. But instead, it seems many of you would rather go through the confrontations everywhere. I have made hundreds, maybe thousands, of trips to stores with a gun. How do I avoid the hassle? Conceal it. Discrete carrying has also never resulted in harassment by police. The burden you complain of is completely self-imposed. You made the decision to make sure everybody sees your pistol. And the sense of self-importance as a ‘customer’ has completely overshadowed the responsibilities held as a ‘guest.’

Why must you open carry to begin with? Here in Washington, you must have a CPL to have a loaded weapon on your person or in your reach in a vehicle. So either you walk everywhere you go, you stop and open the trunk to retrieve your firearm when you reach your destination, or you have a permit, but prefer to display what you have.

Let’s also not forget that everybody votes. So every time you are out in public with a firearm in plain sight, you may be influencing somebody in a negative way. They will remember this come November. Every time I see gays being outlandish, it strengthens my resolve to keep them from ever gaining the right to marry. Do you ever think about how people are reacting to seeing your weapon in public? You are taking a big chance not only with your rights, but with mine by deciding everyone needs to see a gun today.

It is also selfish. Every lawfully carried concealed weapon is one in the hands of a good guy. It makes perpetrating a crime a spin of the roulette wheel. The criminals are taking a chance that this will be the last victim they choose. Concealed carry protects everybody, because nobody can be sure who is prepared to defend themselves, and who is not. Open carry protects only you. It in fact improves the bad guy’s chances, because they can remove one armed citizen from the pool of potential victims.

Please consider doing what the majority of gun carriers do every day, and conceal your weapon. This is not Dodge City, and there is no compelling reason for open carry.
 

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And already got a response.

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So what about those who are 18-21 years old? Open carry gives them the option to have a firearm for self defense. And don't tell me they should wait until they are 21 to get their CPL... criminals do not care how old you are and they will not wait for you to "grow up." Also what about people visiting out of side? It gives them the option to carry as well without going through the process of getting a non resident permit. Permits cost money, and if a tourist decided to come to Washington every few years, it isn't worth it to go through the process to get the non resident CPL.

Personally, I don't open carry as much as I like. But there is one event that I always open carry: when I go hiking. Ever tried carrying concealed while hiking? It sucks. You are sweating and your firearm is moving all over the place. Open carry is a godsend on the trails. Whether or not I open carry, I will still do as much as I can to keep it legal and to spread the word.
Compelling case. Open carry should be accepted, because it is convenient when hiking. Douchebag.
 

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If that's the method that works best for you, as in to young to get a cpl, or can't afford a permit, than open carry is better than no carry. These are still our brothers in arms, and ultimatley we all have the same cause. That's what most of these guys are trying to get across. They're not looking to piss people off, or cause problems, they just want to show people that gun are not just for police and criminals. That everyday people can and should be able to protect themselves. And if their prefered method is open carry, than go for it. These guys have brought more people over to our side with their meetings in public places, by educating joe public than all the people who have a CPL or CCW and never tell anyone that they have a gun, or why they choose to carry.

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." When we're fighting a bunch of liars, any person willing to stand in the breech and fight for the 2A is a freind of mine.
 

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rp----you wrote one of the most well-thought-out, compelling, accurate pieces I've ever read championing CC over OC...proud of it!!!! The only thing I'll add is that OC doesn't protect the wearer as well as CC in 98% of the cases...it just makes them an ambush target or the first to be shot....by a determined criminal/terrorist....a "sitting idiot," so to speak....

You're right-it's more about THEIR rights...not THE right to bear arms....and they are stirring up shtuff just because they can...not unlike the lawyer we had in Shreveport who would take off his suitcoat and strap on a pair of .45 Colts every so often on his lunch hour....then take a leisurely stroll down Texas St. from the First Baptist Church to the bridge...and back...generating who knows how many man with gun calls....just because he could...and the Chief finally assigned 2 uniforms to walk three steps behind him every day.....I never got that assignment, being on graveyards, but if I had, the conversation I'd'a carried on with my partner woulda been loud and pointed...and everyone around woulda laughed him off the streets.....it just ain't necessary to stir up the populace to be a man.....and the fact that you do....don't make you one....we had detectives who'd take off their coat in restaurants...without a badge or cuffs on their belt by the gun....same results....ding-a-lings and ringalings....totally compensating for something......jerks....in my town now, it's nothing to see a detective in shirtsleeves....with his holster AND BADGE on the belt...never a problem....some people just like trouble.....the first answerer you got was half right...the second paragraph....and so we go on...I hope they don't aggravate an already-aggravated voting public, too.....
 

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That means an awful lot coming from you. Seriously. I actually have a big grin, knowing that I can please sheepdog.

I'm not saying open carry should be illegal, or that nobody has any business ever doing it. My point is that these gun owners are going to an unnecessary level. They are the obnoxious gay pride parade of our own movement. I realize there are situations for open carry, I do not believe everyday suburban or city life is one of them.
 

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Good analogy...except that OC is really a good thing.(..used wisely....in rural settings or a store owner to dissuade robbery...not at the mall or the Mickey D's....)and the gay pride folks have NOTHING to be proud of, having flunked out of people plumbing 101....
 
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