[Montanan]

Well I like to practice and stay focal for just that type of situation no mater if its a grizz or black bear on the attack. Yesterday while at Ronan Sports and Western in Ronan, MT and found the exact target that I had been looking for but could not find anywhere on the net.

This one has got Martin Archery on it, but is not posted on their web site, so I have written to them to see if more are available. Retail these were only $1.49 ea at the store, so these are not expensive but have well defined vital lines for practicing with.

Here is the pic of the target:

To purchase these

http://www.shopatron.com/product/part_n ... 92.0.0.0.0

 

[Bountyhunter]

Looks like a pretty good one.

 

[Snuffy]

Great looking target. I have a question? I have always heard that if your going to shoot a bear ya need to either shoot them in the shoulder or spine to break them down or a brain shot. They say( who ever that is at the time) a heart shot won't kill them in time to save you from an attack.
So with all that said please give the real deal on what to do if your faced with a bear and you have to shoot to kill? Ah me playing dead ah no not going to happen.

 

[Montanan]

Snuffy

Don't know who told you that, as in defending ones self from a charging griz you take the biggest mass such as indicated on the target. Just like in this link http://youtube.com/watch?v=LZnsL7-UdGc the Cabelas Hunting Team that was charged by the sow griz, he did not shoot her in the shoulder to break her down, as that would have been a very difficult shot. The same thing for a bears head trying to hit the brain via the open mouth or thru the eye, again a very hard shot to produce.

When the hunter shot this sow griz she bounded back simply because it fricken hurt and was doing its damage, and as you see, she bounded all the way back to where her cub was, and then dropped.

In what I am using in both my 45-70 and .44 mag, they are heavy and very hard cast bullets with enough power to penetrate well beyond with the smaller grizzly bears that we have here in Montana.

 

[Snuffy]

The person was a college professor and according to him had don't some damgerious game huntting. I have never been around that, or anyone that actually lives in that type of country. Its why I asked you as I knew you would set it straightit is. Thanks for the link and thanks for the imformation pard. I know he felt bad about shooting the sow andas he said she had him dead to rights there was no turning her around. He is a good shot for sure as I don't think he would have been able to get a second shot off in time.

 

[Montanan]

Snuffy

I have an original photo of a victim that was recovered in Glacier National Park, who was a worker for the summer, who had been warned do not hike alone that encountered a sow grizzly with 2 cubs. John Osborn who at the time was the park super in charge of everything there at Glacier National Park is bent down in the photo examining what was left of the grizzly encounter.

Graphic Warning
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/ ... timGNP.jpg

We are waiting for the courts dicision on carrying firearms in the National Parks system, and should it pass I just pray and hope that people who do carry, carry a firearm that will be effective and not just piss off a bear.

 

[sheepdog]

.....that don't look like "what was left of the grizzly"...I was surprised ....if folks saw that, they'd think twice.......

 

[Snuffy]

Well all I can say is load them hot and practise alot so ya can hit what your shootin at. I have said for years all the band in the world doesn't mean a damn thing if ya can't hit what your shootin at.
People most people think that if they shot a year ago they are still good enough today BULL ROAR, practise and do it alot with the load your going to carry, not the pop corn loads for targets.
I know you do that, with the real hot loads that your going to carry. But as you said you hope folks won't carry a bear pisser of gun then I bet ya have a whole lot more trouble a wounded bear. Man that just doesn't sound good to me here in Texas. Sure hope ya show them that picture might wake them up.

 

[Bountyhunter]

I've seen that picture before. I've seen others too and I don't want to be that close to a bear. I realize that they are wild animals and they have a right to live where they are at, but once a bear has killed a human it'll continue to do so. Easy prey is easy prey. It's unfortunate that these types of encounters happen but they do and will continue to as long as humans wander around in their yard.

 

[sheepdog]

We were given authority over the animals a looooooooooooong time ago...and ANY animal that threatens a human needs to die immediately.....

 

[Bountyhunter]

I don't think of it as authority. We have the means to kill them more efficiently then they do us. That is all. One animal killing another.

 

[Montanan]

I think the word Sheepdog was lookin to say was "dominion" not control, but we as a people have dominion of all the animals of the earth.

 

[sheepdog]

Dominion is rule or power to rule....authority...same thing....and that we have...

 

[Bountyhunter]

Well if you put it like that I guess we do. I just don't like the term authority. I think of authority as we were given the right.

 

[sheepdog]

It is and we were...God told Adam and Eve to run things on the Earth....but He also told 'em how...and that part they forgot...which is why we have such a mess....what I meant in this context...is that anytime it comes down to a man and a beast....the man's the more important and should take control...there's a difference between killing an animal(bear) that's threatening you and just going out and slaughtering, wasting most of the meat(like they did the buffalo for the tongues....and skins....);it's OK to kill rabbits out of your garden, but wrong to just go out jacklighting rabbits and killing dozens if you don't eat them....a good man knows the balance in things...and that includes wildlife...we're not supposed to do without much needed oil to preserve butterflies...but we're not supposed to trash the woods more than necessary to drill....and we're supposed to clean up our spills...even if our name is Exxon.....

 

[deputy125]

well, that settles it..............

i'll put up with the xtra weight and pac a 12 ga as primary and a handgun as back-up should i ever get up yonder.................

 

[Montanan]

well, that settles it..............

i'll put up with the xtra weight and pac a 12 ga as primary and a handgun as back-up should i ever get up yonder.................

A 12 ga is one of the best bear defense firearms out there with using alternating load of "00" buck, slug, "00" buck.

But even our Fish Wildlife and Park Wardens are now getting certified with the Marlin 1895 Guide Gun in 45-70, which is the levergun that I choose to carry as my primary. My Ruger SBH .44 Mag is secondary but either one packs super hard cast bullets that will handle the job.

That is why I only use the improved crimp gas checked Rim Rock Bullets which by the way, are the same bullets that Tim Sundles uses to load and sell Buffalo Bore Ammunition with.

 

[deputy125]

marlin ought to cut a deal with them...........give them a bit of a discount in exchange for usin' their logo and a short write-up that they use them as bear medicine-----valued use of said weapon system for those types of encounters----------------talk about truth in advertisin'.......that would speak tons .........

 

[sheepdog]

Will the 45.-70 hit harder than a 12 ga slug???

 

[Montanan]

Will the 45.-70 hit harder than a 12 ga slug???

The super hard cast bullets from a 45-70 will out penetrate a 12 ga slug, as well as break bones etc.

The 45-70 also has milder recoil to the shoulder, but that is my opinion as I have more experience with the 45-70 than I do with a 12 ga. The 12 ga shotgun has alot more moving parts that can get dusty and cause problems this way as was varified by one of our Game Wardens, who also has his doubts about carrying the 12 ga for his protection as they have been.

But a 12 ga will work, it's just not my choice of weapon against grizzly bear.