[Wizard]

Have any of you used imported surplus ammo? I realize most if it cannot be reloaded because of the primer type, and the cases are metal instead of brass, but I've been looking at prices, it seems to be a lot less expensive than Remington and Winchester.....I'm getting close to picking the rifle I want.....

 

[deputy125]

the bad experience-------surplus 303 brit. that stuff was nasty and many, many cases suffered neck splits upon firing.

but i have had good luck with 30 carb, 30-06 in the past..........but a lot of it has dried up for those calibers.....

what caliber are you looking at?

 

[Wizard]

I think I've decided on the .223/5.56.....I read an article today on the 5.45....it is less expensive and plentiful right now, but, if Russia decides to quit exporting it, then I would be out of luck.....

 

[Johngoboom]

You can't go wrong with a .223 for a fun accurate rifle. But if you plan to shoot a lot. It's not a cheap caliber anymore. My advice, if you want a .223, and you see ammo on sale someplace pick it up, because most of the time your going to be paying around $10 a box for cheap ammo. I was thrilled to see PMC for $6.99 at a local store the other day. I bought six boxes.

 

[Wizard]

Do you have any experience with Brown Bear ammo? It is mfg. in Russia, and can be had for $225/1000.....that even less than Wolf.....

Another possibility is the 5.45X39.....it's even less expensive....S&W has a M&P out in that caliber.....

 

[deputy125]

the 7..62 x39 i guess is still about the best bargin out there.......surplus or new..........

 

[Bountyhunter]

I think you're right Deputy. I can get the 7.62x39 for $205 per 1000.

 

[gunman42782]

Just a word of caution here. If you plan on using Wolff ammo in an AR 15, I would advise against it. I had about 4 rounds out of around 500 that the cartridge case actually stuck in the chamber, and I had to get it out with a cleaning rod. I also seen this happen to two of my buddies one day at the range. I thought it was just because these two like to shoot their ARs as fast as they can pull the trigger, and maybe they are not as picky about cleaning as I was, but then it happened to me as well. Now, I know to some of you having 4 rounds out of 500 do that may not be a big deal, but we are not talking about a simple jam that could be cleared easily, we are talking about the case actually sticking in the chamber and disabling the gun. Could be a serious situation if you really needed the dang thing. My ARs, by the way, have never jammed once with my reloads. Now, Wolff in an AK or SKS is fine.

 

[deputy125]

i'm still wondering about the russian stuff that uses a steel case. once upon a time they use to put varnish on it to preserve it but nowadays they put a plastic coating on it instead. While an sks or ak47 will eat dang near everything including dirt and sand, the ar15 series has much tighter tolerances----perhaps to-tight of tolerances for the steel case stuff with what-ever coating they put on the case. Bound to be some of that plastic or varnish that gets left behind in the chamber when the case expands and might cause it to get sticky------maybe?

 

[gunman42782]

All of the Wolff ammo I used was the new polymer coated stuff. My friends had the old laquer coated stuff. Both got stuck in the chambers of 3 different ARs. That is all the evidence I need not to ever buy it again for my AR. Now the 7.62x39 I would not hesitate to buy for an AK or SKS as they were designed to be used with the steel cases and I have fired thousands of rounds of the stuff through them with no problems at all.

And not to be picky, but really Wolff ammo is not really "surplus" ammo. It is new, made for commercial sale ammo just like Remington or Winchester, only made in Russia.

 

[Wizard]

Dang....I took a closer look at the price of the .223/5.56 ammo, and it is outrageous....maybe I should just get the AK47 and be done with it.....a lot less expensive for the ammo and the gun....but, I realize accuracy isn't stellar for those guns.....

Please continue the comments.....you guys know more about rifles than I do.....

 

[Bountyhunter]

Wizard are you looking for a SHTF defensive weapon? If so I think the SKS or AK would be fine as far as accuracy goes. It's not like you'd be using it sniper style from 3-400 yards. Out to 100 yards the SKS is a good little deer rifle, so I have to think that for a defensive weapon, or even offensive if need be, it would do you fine.

 

[Wizard]

BH, I should have stated what I wanted it for.....primary purpose is SHTF....secondary, our club is starting a new discipline...100 yd with any rifle that has been mfg. for military purposes.....

 

[deputy125]

heck, matches are suspose to be fun anyways.....the sks will not win, place, or show. But it will show you you can put a man down consistantly at that distance with a weapon that costs probably 80% less than the cost of a new AR-!5.

If you want to raise a few eyebrows at the match, the sks is affordable enough that you can get a 2nd military surplus weapon for the games if ya want------the mosin-nagant 91 rifle in 7.62x54R------another affordable rifle with affordable ammo. You can make a respectful showing with that.................

and though i have not shot one-------folks rave about the schmitt-ruben swiss rifle as extremely accurate----though the ammo costs go up considerably for that one.....

 

[Caveman]

I have never had problems with Wolf ammo, in .223 or 7.62. My AR is more accurate than either the SKS or AK, but at the same time, it is a .22. 303 stock is very hit and miss, I have found it is better just to reload it than try to score a deal on Pakistani surplus. Enfield rifles perform very well.

Check out tickbitesupply.com for some surplus rifles.

 

[deputy125]

appreciate that site........good price on the mosin nagants,,,,,,,,,,,

but what is with that ar-15 listed for $599.00??????????????

put together from colt and FN parts? heard any feedback about that??????????

http://www.tickbitesupply.com/firearms.html

 

[Bountyhunter]

I know nothing about it, except it looks good.

 

[Wizard]

appreciate that site........good price on the mosin nagants,,,,,,,,,,,

but what is with that ar-15 listed for $599.00??????????????

put together from colt and FN parts? heard any feedback about that??????????

http://www.tickbitesupply.com/firearms.html

Yea, that one got my attn., also....would like to know more about it.....

 

[Caveman]

All I know is that FN builds A2s in use by USAF and some others. Don't know whose parts are what in that one. 600 is a good deal though.

 

[Deadeye]

Have you thought about .762Nato? A M-14 or FN-FAL would be very cool & very accurate.

I don't know what current prices are, I used to get surplus So. African ammo in sealed battle packs pretty reasonable for my FN-FAL.