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Wow, they've finally gotten past the one big objection so many people have had to the Mark pistols--the takedown. I never had any trouble with it, but I know it's cost them a lot of sales over the years. S&W Victory must be chipping away at their market share.
 

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A definite response to S&W's attempt to cut into their market share with the Victory.
 

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Wow, they've finally gotten past the one big objection so many people have had to the Mark pistols--the takedown. I never had any trouble with it, but I know it's cost them a lot of sales over the years. S&W Victory must be chipping away at their market share.
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Looks like a winner for Ruger. The reassembly procedure was always the biggest beef people have with the Mark series and this fixes the issue. Losing the LCI (dirt trap) was a good move as well.
 

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I'd seen some posts and early photos on Rimfire Central. Looks like it may be a big jump ahead, time will tell. A little pricey, too.

It's nice to get rid of the hook attachment for upper to lower. That always eventually gets loose, and shims or squeezing the frame isn't exactly a high tech fix. The Mark IV still has a mag safety, but description claims mags drop free on release. Machined frame sounds interesting; no more sheet metal. Frame is stainless, or anodized aluminum.

I had a Standard in my first shooting years, then got a Mark III this time around. Just didn't impress me this time, even after dumping the mag safety and the LCI, so I sold it. I think I'll stay with revolvers.
 

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Looks like a winner for Ruger. The reassembly procedure was always the biggest beef people have with the Mark series and this fixes the issue. Losing the LCI (dirt trap) was a good move as well.
I never got around to taking the LCI out of my 22/45 Mk III. I've spent an awful lot of time cleaning it, and you really CAN'T get it clean unless you take it out. If you're going to do that, might as well leave it out. It never really caused me problems, but it never did what it was supposed to do either. (It would stick out at least partway even without a round in the chamber.)
 

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I started shooting Ruger Marks back in the mid 70s, back in the original Standard/Mark I days and have been shooting them ever since. I've NEVER had ANY complaints about this gun in ANY version, but, then, I have stripped this gun down to the last part so many times I could do it in my sleep.

The Mark III, though, was really the turning point for bad publicity about this gun, maybe because of the added safety features or because all the new shooters coming into the sport having to deal with the so-called nightmare of taking one apart. Probably some of both.

As for the new Mark IV, I'll withhold judgement till I see one, but, yes, I think the MK IV is very much Ruger's response to the Victory. My concern, at this point, is will we still have a Ruger Mark or will we have a gun that is a Ruger Mark in name, only? I would truly hate to lose my old familiar friend. Certainly not opposed to changes and improvements, but at some point you no longer have the same gun. To be continued ...
 

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http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-MKIV.htm

Research this new pistol and decide which you would buy....the Target or Hunter.....and why?
Do you think Ruger will come out with a Government Target Model? Is that model just marketing hype?
I have high hopes for this pistol, thinking it could be the best .22lr pistol in many years.
I have already looked to buy one, with no luck. Maybe it is too early, but I reckon this will be a barn burner.
 

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http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-MKIV.htm

Research this new pistol and decide which you would buy....the Target or Hunter.....and why?
Do you think Ruger will come out with a Government Target Model? Is that model just marketing hype?
I have high hopes for this pistol, thinking it could be the best .22lr pistol in many years.
I have already looked to buy one, with no luck. Maybe it is too early, but I reckon this will be a barn burner.
I think you're probably right, that it's too early.
I'm wondering if they'll come out with a 22/45 model. I like that less aggressive grip angle better. It's more natural to me.
In the meantime, I'm plenty happy with my Buck Mark.
 

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The Gunblast article has Quinn's usual never less than glowing report, but does contain good info and photos.

My preference runs against the black controls and pins. They look good new, but not later. More likely to corrode, too.

The early photos I saw showed some sort of safety in the trigger, that looked like it was hinged in the center. Probably good that it didn't make it to the final design. Maybe the lawyers were kept in a closet for this one. Not CA or MA compliant; that may be why the Mark III is still cataloged. A number of makers have stopped caving to those requirements.

I expect this to be another "factory fit only" PITA for parts, though. With my most recent and now ex Mark III, I had a good assortment of spare parts; anything subject to wear, breakage, or going airborne in a detail strip. Ruger of late has been tight on which parts you can get. The LCR parts list is practically all factory only, but I've managed to finagle a good number of those anyway.........;)

I actually have at least one of every part for a Bearcat, except the barrel, cylinder, and trigger guard. Today I could not do that; at least a dozen parts are factory fit only now.
 

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With the S&W Victory selling for $ 350-400 everywhere, I think Ruger is trying to get all their R&D money back quickly, when they seem to normally do better pricing on a new item.
 

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http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-MKIV.htm

Research this new pistol and decide which you would buy....the Target or Hunter.....and why?
Do you think Ruger will come out with a Government Target Model? Is that model just marketing hype?
I have high hopes for this pistol, thinking it could be the best .22lr pistol in many years.
I have already looked to buy one, with no luck. Maybe it is too early, but I reckon this will be a barn burner.
For iron sight work, the longer sight radius of the Hunter might have a slight edge, but I have always done well with the shorter Target, too.

The original MK II Government was the real deal. Was actually made for the military for use as a trainer. Great Mark if you can find one of these.
 

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Have you been to that shop? I never knew it was there til yesterday. Looks like they have a lot of stuff. And their used gun prices aren't the same as new gun prices, like most places.
I’ve never been in their shop, sorry to say, and one of my sons lives about 2 miles from it. I’ve read several good reviews regarding the place though. I believe it’s only been open for about 4 years. One of these days I plan to stop there and have a look around. :-D
 

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With the S&W Victory selling for $ 350-400 everywhere, I think Ruger is trying to get all their R&D money back quickly, when they seem to normally do better pricing on a new item.
Yeah, just noticed the price tag. Yikes! With a half dozen Marks in the safe, not to mention the very enjoyable to shoot Victory, I'm in no hurry to find the IV. More of a revolver shooter, anyway.
 

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The enthusiasm for the Ruger Mark IV is fading already, judging by the chatter on Rimfire Central........

Some are finding the front sight is too short. The pivot hollow and pin are a poor fit together. The matte finish is too easy to scratch, and too hard to repair. The receiver top is out of round, makes gaps under a scope rail. The Mark IV does not include a scope rail, like Marks used to. The safety is too stiff, or too easy. Some question as to whether the black takedown button is steel, aluminum, or plastic. Some don't like the black controls, wonder what the black is and what metal is under it. The trigger guard is sharp edged. Blah, blah, and more blah.

Maybe the S&W Victory is safe for a while. People aren't as particular with a $300 gun.
 
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