[Johngoboom]

Because of other prior commitments of our cash on hand, the amount of money I have to spend on random gun purchases are lower this year (doing some work to the house).

I would like to buy a SHTF gun on the cheap. I have two 12 gauges, so I'm good in that department. I respect your opinions so what would you do??? (Really I just want a gun to blaze away at the range for fun )

Here’s what I’m thinking:

I have a sporterised 8mm Mauser, so I could stock up on ammo for that.
http://www.samcoglobal.com

Buy an SKS and 1000 rounds of Wolf ammo

Buy a High-Point carbine in either 9mm or 40 S&W.

 

[gunman42782]

I would go for the SKS between the 3 choice you give. The 8mm Mauser is a fine gun, but slow to manipulate and reload, the Hi Point is underpowered at longer distances. The SKS is reasonable fast to reload with stipper clips, is very fast to shoot, and has sufficent power at longer distances. I have never owned one with the detachable mag, but that is an option too.

Now, saying all that, I would still rather cough up the extra dough and buy an AK. Centerfires Systems sells AKs for about $350, and SKSs for about $180 and up.

 

[Bountyhunter]

I'd go with the SKS also. If you can swing a little more look into an AK. If you can't, The SKS will do just fine.

 

[deputy125]

Guess you have to look at your situtation/location and think about your needs. If you feel that the mauser will get the job done and you are purty salty with it then all is well. My frame of mind is when i grab a rifle, the threat is out of the range of the shotgun. Distance for me translates into time and stay behind cover. And the greater the distance, especially on a moving "target", the more difficult the shot.(another reason i'm a fan of the shotgun).

The sks or any semi-auto means a fast repeat shot if necessary and faster engagement on multiple targets. For myself, i do not posess the necessary skills for fast repeat accurate fire with a bolt action as i have not practiced doing it. But again, i consider the distance to be to my advantage to do what i do best with a scoped rifle. I have tremondous respect for the sks and consider it a bargin for someone on a budget. The sks is a big improvement over any handgun round in ballistics and recoils much less than an 8mm mauser which helps out further with fast repeat/accurate fire.

The hi-point carbines are interesting in that one wonders how something so inexpensively made with plastic works so well. As much as i would like to bad-mouth the guns, they seem to work quite well. We have a deputy that has a 9mm carbine and head shots are no problem for him at 50 yards on a b-27 target. This may be a good route to go if you want ammo compatability with your handgun. This ought to carry real easy also in your vehicle should you want to keep your SHTF weapons close at hand when working or on the road. Another possible option but more money is the kel-tec 2000. Available to order to accept glock, sig, smith, or beretta mags, this little booger is light and folds in-two. Only thing i know about them is what i have read and most of it seems positive. Some folks have posted elsewhere that they fold them to easily carry on their motorcyles when traveling---they just saddlebag it or put it in a small case.

Its just gonna come down to what your comfortable with and how much you want to spend......
You know your abilities with what you already have on hand. If you see a "hole" in the line-up, then pick what your comfortable with to fill it.

 

[Snuffy]

I have two option's I have two places to go and know how to get there through the woods. I know that the roads are going to be closed as ya will have many bad guys there. Out in the open an old fat man like easy prey. But once in one of my two spots not so easy and the body count will grow fast. At one spot I have my M I A. At the other spot I have my Bushmaster AR 10. In either spot I can live comfortablr for weeks on end. Never seem never heard from. I have tried them both and it works. I have a bang and ammo ready to go and I can walk to these spots fast and easy from where I now live. I have several route's of travel and all are never used by anyone else. Well at least in the past 5 years they haven't Who's with it hit the fan what will happen.
Good rule of thumb always have two as one mayber found out not likely that two will be found out. All you can do it hope that you never need your plan but always have a plan. I am smart enough to know that I am not going to be able to hold out for ever. If your young and don't take med.'s of any kind you will have the better chances but old and take med.'s you won't last very long.
With all of this being said, I would buy both. Get the ak first as its most likely the one to be banded first. Then get the 8MM, buy a little ammo for each each month and you will be suprized as to how fast it will stock up. Same with can foods if you buy one for the house buy two one for the back up and one for the house. Only buy the foods that you eat now in cans, water also your going to need water. Another most don't think about but tp your for sure going to need that. Ya can go without eatting for a while but your going to have to use it more than you think and tp is a must. Its just as important as ammo.
Another point never lay out your plan on here as anyone can read this. And there are those that will wait for you to do all the work and then come to your spot and take what ya have as they will know the lay as you will have told them what ya have and where its at.
Books to read to help you is the ones that tell what the mountain men went through to live out in the woods. Prastice making fire without matchs, trust men its no easy ting to do now when ya don't need it but when your cold our hungry its really hard then.
These are some of the things that I think are important to do and learn, me I hope I never have to use any of it.

 

[Deadeye]

I'm a big fan of the SKS! I have 4 of them, 2 Russians & 2 Chinese. I'm not a collector when it comes to the SKS, I have them for shooting & self defence. I have "Bubbaed" all of them to suit my needs. I plan to post some pics of them soon. You can find a lot of great info at simonov.net & sksboards.com. I would stay away from the Yugos everybody thinks are so great, the do not have chrome lined bores & have had lots of corrosive ammo fire thru them. Don't be suckered in by that "cool" looking Grenade launcher, its the most useless thing I've ever seen (unless you have a bunch of old grenades laying around ). Search the Pawn shops in you area, the ones around hear allways have several. The Russkies are the best, then the ******. I wouldn't buy anything else (trust me on this I've spent several yrs. & several $ buying & trading SKS's). You'll read a lot of crap about all the different types out there from collectors, just remember they are into them for collecting. Do not get suckered into putting a "cool" scope on them, they were not designed for one (You cannot turn a sows ear into a silk purse). Pick one type of ammo & stick with it! I prefer Wolff blackbox its best all a round for price & quality. You'll read a lot of crap about "buy American ammo its more accurate". Its not enough more accurate for the big time extra cost & it has soft primers. The SKS has a free floating fireing pin & was designed to shoot Mil-spec ammo. Trust me, I've tried'm all. The bottom line is, these guns have horrible barrel harmonics. They will never be tack-drivers, the best 100yd. open sight group I've shot is 4.5" avg. is 6". Thats with Wolff blackbox & thats good enough to put down any Deer or Scumbag walk'n.

P.S. It's also a good idea to plan on replacing the rear sight with an adjustable peephole sight. I suggest Mojo or Williams. Stay away from Techsights, they look very "cool" but despite what they claim they WILL NOT maintain zero after you have to remove them to clean your rifle. Just remember, if it looks really "COOL" its probably "JUNK"!

 

[Johngoboom]

Thanks for the input everybody!

I'm thinking the SKS is the way to go. I would like to get an AR, but with contract coming up at work this year, and doing some more work on the house, now is not the time to spend $1000 on a gun. The SKS I can even ALMOST justify!

 

[sheepdog]

I got a Jack Daniels bottle from a customer...the 1.75 liter size...and it now weighs 12.5#.....and is almost up to the neck...started in mid-Feb-every day it gets all the change in my pocket....it'll buy me another gun when it's full...or at least put one on layaway...then start again-everytime a payment's due...empty it again...no pain and it adds up real fast....

 

[Bountyhunter]

I used to do the same thing Sheepdog. I hated carrying change so I'd toss it into a jar. I actually had 3. One for pennies. One for nickels and dimes. And one for quarters. I still have them but since I do everything by debit card now I hardly ever have change. It used to add up real quick.

 

[Terry_P]

John:

Have you considered the Ruger Mini 30?

 

[Johngoboom]

I have Terry, but there not cheap!

I want to find an affordable SHTF gun.

 

[Snuffy]

SKS had one of the Mim 30s the only mags that work were the factory 5 rounds SKS any mag will work Cheaper and they shoot just as good if not better JMO

 

[Natalie]

You could try the old "eenie, meenie, miney, mo".

 

[Johngoboom]

That's how I ended up married! :lol:

 

[Bountyhunter]

 

[sheepdog]

You can hide in my doghouse, John...at least it's got A/C and cable....and I ain't home much....'course MY wife turns the hose in the front door 'most every day.....

 

[Johngoboom]

Heck that's got to feel good when it's 102!

 

[sheepdog]

Not when she's spraying Roundup...... :x

 

[Johngoboom]

:?

 

[Bountyhunter]

:lol: :lol: Get the tool box! I think Sheepdog may have a loose screw!